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		<title>By: Javan Kienzle</title>
		<link>http://joelontheroad.com/?p=2887&#038;cpage=1#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Javan Kienzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m caught in the middle on this one.  I&#039;m against capital punishment (although I&#039;m willing to make an exception for people who don&#039;t return borrowed books), but I wonder where one draws the line at &quot;neutral&quot; or &quot;balanced&quot; or &quot;uninvolved&quot;  or &quot;objective&quot;  reporting.  How could one write an &quot;objective&quot; report at seeing the result of Hitler&#039;s death camps?  How could one write an &quot;objective&quot; report at seeing the remains of a lynch victim&#039;s mutilated and charred body dangling from a tree?  How could one write an &quot;objective&quot; report at seeing the body of a child who has been  tortured and raped?   How could one write an &quot;objective&quot; report at seeing the remains of the dogs maimed and killed by Michael Vick?

On the other hand, I recall reading a book that made me angry because of the author&#039;s noninvolvement.  It wasn&#039;t until I was halfway through the book that I realized that it was his very UNinvolvement that drew me in and resulted in my own involvement.

Maybe this is one of those instances that can&#039;t be 100% black and white;  perhaps there IS a grey area and in that area one reporter will operate in one manner and another in a totally different manner. 

If I had to choose one or the other, I think I would prefer that a reporter be involved and show his involvement -- whether it be sympathy, empathy, disgust, approbation, enjoyment  -- or just the ability to say &quot;This is a bunch of baloney.&quot;

Too much &quot;objectivity&quot; from the news media leads to too many public figures getting away with figurative and literal murder.

But there is at lease one caveat:  Just as the Church talks about making decisions based on an &quot;educated conscience,&quot; I&#039;d like to see journalists cover and report a story based on some knowledge of their subject.  And that becomes evermore problematical with the prevalence of Journalism degrees as opposed to Liberal Arts degrees.  They write as if they&#039;re robots  engaging in mechanical  sex rather than human beings who are engaging in loving intercourse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m caught in the middle on this one.  I&#8217;m against capital punishment (although I&#8217;m willing to make an exception for people who don&#8217;t return borrowed books), but I wonder where one draws the line at &#8220;neutral&#8221; or &#8220;balanced&#8221; or &#8220;uninvolved&#8221;  or &#8220;objective&#8221;  reporting.  How could one write an &#8220;objective&#8221; report at seeing the result of Hitler&#8217;s death camps?  How could one write an &#8220;objective&#8221; report at seeing the remains of a lynch victim&#8217;s mutilated and charred body dangling from a tree?  How could one write an &#8220;objective&#8221; report at seeing the body of a child who has been  tortured and raped?   How could one write an &#8220;objective&#8221; report at seeing the remains of the dogs maimed and killed by Michael Vick?</p>
<p>On the other hand, I recall reading a book that made me angry because of the author&#8217;s noninvolvement.  It wasn&#8217;t until I was halfway through the book that I realized that it was his very UNinvolvement that drew me in and resulted in my own involvement.</p>
<p>Maybe this is one of those instances that can&#8217;t be 100% black and white;  perhaps there IS a grey area and in that area one reporter will operate in one manner and another in a totally different manner. </p>
<p>If I had to choose one or the other, I think I would prefer that a reporter be involved and show his involvement &#8212; whether it be sympathy, empathy, disgust, approbation, enjoyment  &#8212; or just the ability to say &#8220;This is a bunch of baloney.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too much &#8220;objectivity&#8221; from the news media leads to too many public figures getting away with figurative and literal murder.</p>
<p>But there is at lease one caveat:  Just as the Church talks about making decisions based on an &#8220;educated conscience,&#8221; I&#8217;d like to see journalists cover and report a story based on some knowledge of their subject.  And that becomes evermore problematical with the prevalence of Journalism degrees as opposed to Liberal Arts degrees.  They write as if they&#8217;re robots  engaging in mechanical  sex rather than human beings who are engaging in loving intercourse.<br />
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		<title>By: Alan Stamm</title>
		<link>http://joelontheroad.com/?p=2887&#038;cpage=1#comment-3154</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ P. S. . . . cont. from above ]

I hope you agree this is a discussion worth having, because I&#039;m genuinely interested in hearing why you feel a reporter&#039;s emotional reaction to what he sees -- at an execution or presumably on other assignments --  is &quot;a significant part of the story&quot; that shouldn&#039;t be suppressed.

I ask sincerely, Joel, because after dabbling in New Journalism at The Daily Orange (Syracuse U.), I largely came around (swallowed the Kool-Aid, if you prefer) to believing readers of straight news reports are better-served by copy that&#039;s as free as objectively possible -- never 100% -- of writers&#039; emotions.

Naturally, most &#039;objective&#039; journalism reflects the education, experiences, belief systems, prejudices and overall life experiences of the writer and editors. We&#039;re not robots. (Just treated that way by management -- there we agree.)

Could I cover a convention of faith healers or UFO believers without skepticism or snark? Not without extra effort, which is what I&#039;d apply unless I were a columnist, blogger or editorial writer.    

What about a more common example: A legislative hearing, court case or protest involving the abortion issue? 

&quot;Why should not the reporter’s emotional reaction be part of the story?&quot; you ask in the context of executions. Why should they, I ask in that context and the other examples offered. 

My basic question is: &quot;If it turns out he DOES have emotions that he&#039;s hiding,&quot; why would Mike Graczyk be &quot;suppressing a significant part of the story&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ P. S. . . . cont. from above ]</p>
<p>I hope you agree this is a discussion worth having, because I&#8217;m genuinely interested in hearing why you feel a reporter&#8217;s emotional reaction to what he sees &#8212; at an execution or presumably on other assignments &#8212;  is &#8220;a significant part of the story&#8221; that shouldn&#8217;t be suppressed.</p>
<p>I ask sincerely, Joel, because after dabbling in New Journalism at The Daily Orange (Syracuse U.), I largely came around (swallowed the Kool-Aid, if you prefer) to believing readers of straight news reports are better-served by copy that&#8217;s as free as objectively possible &#8212; never 100% &#8212; of writers&#8217; emotions.</p>
<p>Naturally, most &#8216;objective&#8217; journalism reflects the education, experiences, belief systems, prejudices and overall life experiences of the writer and editors. We&#8217;re not robots. (Just treated that way by management &#8212; there we agree.)</p>
<p>Could I cover a convention of faith healers or UFO believers without skepticism or snark? Not without extra effort, which is what I&#8217;d apply unless I were a columnist, blogger or editorial writer.    </p>
<p>What about a more common example: A legislative hearing, court case or protest involving the abortion issue? </p>
<p>&#8220;Why should not the reporter’s emotional reaction be part of the story?&#8221; you ask in the context of executions. Why should they, I ask in that context and the other examples offered. </p>
<p>My basic question is: &#8220;If it turns out he DOES have emotions that he&#8217;s hiding,&#8221; why would Mike Graczyk be &#8220;suppressing a significant part of the story&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stamm</title>
		<link>http://joelontheroad.com/?p=2887&#038;cpage=1#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how you *really* feel about the death penalty, Joel? Too bad you never were an editorial writer.  

I also oppose &quot;state-sponsored killing&quot; and sure would dislike Mike Graczyk&#039;s beat. But more than 30 years of working in the news industry lead me to respect, rather than reject, the professionalism of someone who know &quot;my job is to tell a story and tell what&#039;s going on&quot; without injecting personal emotions.

C&#039;mon now, Joel - - You know he&#039;s a wire guy, not a columnnist, blogger or op-ed writer. 

You want he should try to slip in phrases such as &quot;the agonizing process was difficult to watch&quot; or &quot;the barbarism began at 12:01 a.m.&quot; or what exactly? As you acknowledge, any semi-awake bureau editor would delete that reflexively. 

Do I think it&#039;s easy for him to file, roll home and drift right off to undisturbed sleep?  Likely not, I imagine. 

Should he have asked long ago for a reprieve from this ghoulish assignment? I sure would have.    

But I also think &quot;this kind of media cant&quot; about so-called objectivity (unachievable by anyone who creates POV, selects words and determines length, I agree) is NOT what should get you banging the keyboard about The Times&#039; piece.

Instead of feeling sorry for a 59-year-old AP lifer who sets aside personal feelings to write &quot;antiseptically,&quot; how &#039;bout a line of regret -- in italics or not -- about these reminders of Journalism 2009 in the same article:   

&quot;Of all the consequences of shrinking newsrooms, one of the oddest is this: Fewer journalists are available to watch people die. 

&quot;. . . &#039;Our staff is half the size it was three years ago, and so it’s just much more difficult to send somebody,&#039; said Jim Witt, executive editor of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram.&quot;

Focusing on pitfalls of emotion-stripped reporting in this era seems like commenting on the Titanic&#039;s oddly patterned carpets.

But this essay is more about &quot;calculated killing&quot; than an injured industry, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how you *really* feel about the death penalty, Joel? Too bad you never were an editorial writer.  </p>
<p>I also oppose &#8220;state-sponsored killing&#8221; and sure would dislike Mike Graczyk&#8217;s beat. But more than 30 years of working in the news industry lead me to respect, rather than reject, the professionalism of someone who know &#8220;my job is to tell a story and tell what&#8217;s going on&#8221; without injecting personal emotions.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon now, Joel &#8211; - You know he&#8217;s a wire guy, not a columnnist, blogger or op-ed writer. </p>
<p>You want he should try to slip in phrases such as &#8220;the agonizing process was difficult to watch&#8221; or &#8220;the barbarism began at 12:01 a.m.&#8221; or what exactly? As you acknowledge, any semi-awake bureau editor would delete that reflexively. </p>
<p>Do I think it&#8217;s easy for him to file, roll home and drift right off to undisturbed sleep?  Likely not, I imagine. </p>
<p>Should he have asked long ago for a reprieve from this ghoulish assignment? I sure would have.    </p>
<p>But I also think &#8220;this kind of media cant&#8221; about so-called objectivity (unachievable by anyone who creates POV, selects words and determines length, I agree) is NOT what should get you banging the keyboard about The Times&#8217; piece.</p>
<p>Instead of feeling sorry for a 59-year-old AP lifer who sets aside personal feelings to write &#8220;antiseptically,&#8221; how &#8217;bout a line of regret &#8212; in italics or not &#8212; about these reminders of Journalism 2009 in the same article:   </p>
<p>&#8220;Of all the consequences of shrinking newsrooms, one of the oddest is this: Fewer journalists are available to watch people die. </p>
<p>&#8220;. . . &#8216;Our staff is half the size it was three years ago, and so it’s just much more difficult to send somebody,&#8217; said Jim Witt, executive editor of The Fort Worth Star-Telegram.&#8221;</p>
<p>Focusing on pitfalls of emotion-stripped reporting in this era seems like commenting on the Titanic&#8217;s oddly patterned carpets.</p>
<p>But this essay is more about &#8220;calculated killing&#8221; than an injured industry, right?</p>
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